Recording Horn Players – Part 2: Brass

Recording horn players

This is a guest post by Kyle M. Bagley.

You can get a great trombone or trumpet recording with an array of mics and methods, including several low price options. As in many cases, the sound of the player themselves and the mic position are more important than the microphone in capturing a great recording.

This article focuses mainly on close-miking players and individual sound. For more on miking a section or far-miking brass players, read Part 1 in the series.

Understanding Brass Instruments

Sound coming out of a brass instrument is relatively linear, or directional. You can think of the bell of a brass instrument as a speaker. The loudest sound comes from the center of the bell, and the sound will get quieter and change somewhat as you get farther from it.

There is also some sound that emanates from the bell itself, usually high frequencies.

Changing the axis of the microphone, or pointing it at an angle rather the directly at the bell will drastically change the character of the instrument on recordings by varying amounts of these two sound sources.

On-Axis or Off-Axis?

What kind of sound are you looking for? Consider this before you even set up a mic stand. Do I want a piercing sound or mellow? Bright or dark? Will the brass be loud, a focus of the music, or background? Moving lines or long tones? If you don’t know, ask the band.

As stated above, the loudest sound comes from a mic pointed directly at the bell. This sound is also the harshest.

As you get farther away, the sound will get quieter, more mellow, and individual notes and articulations will be less clear. A good range of close mic placement is from one to four feet away. It is also important to note that distance mixes in more room sound, which can be counterproductive if you are already using room mics.

Pointing the mic off-axis will achieve some of the same results, but with a new set of variables.

As you increase the angle of axis, you increase the amount of “bell” sound you hear, and decrease the direct sound. In this way, you can make a sound darker and mellower without decreasing the volume or increasing room sound.Many engineers consider it bad form to record directly on-axis.

Another changing variable that comes with off-axis miking is wall reflection and bleed between microphones.

As you point a mic off-axis, you are not only pointing it at a different part of the instrument, but a different part of the room. Is another sound bouncing off the wall the mic is now pointed at? The bell of an instrument is circular, so the angle is the same whether you point it up, down, left, or right.

Consider this while setting up the room and other instruments. Many engineers will use foam around the mic or baffles between the players to avoid problems when recording off-axis.

Be sure to explain your methods to the players, and give them an idea of what you are doing with the mic. As with singers, not every musician will know how to use a mic, and may think your placement is accidental or unimportant.

Brass Mic Placement

Brass Players and Tone

Brass players, more than any other instrument, rely heavily on the musician, and not on the instrument for tone quality.

The sound is actually created by the buzzing lips of the player, and amplified by the instrument. Understanding this is important for an engineer and how they interact with the player.

This means that the tone, tuning, and volume can change throughout the session, as the player gets “warmed up” or fatigued. It also means that note attacks and articulations are different player-to-player or on each take. Long sessions can be very taxing, and engineers need to be constantly listening for the sound they want

Microphone Options

A general go-to starting point for brass instruments is a small diaphragm condenser mic. They usually have a frequency response that is tuned well to brass, have good directionality to prevent bleed, and are easy to point and focus on specific areas of the bell. Again, price is not a huge factor here. I have a Sterling Audio ST31 ($99) that I love on brass instruments, and countless others have been used to the same effect.

Large diaphragm condensers and vocal mics can also be used, although fine placement can be more difficult. Be sure to check the frequency response, so you are not boosting any areas of the sound that would result in tone.

If no condensers are available, or they are being used for room/section mics, dynamic mics like the Shure SM57 will do just fine. Again, the players’ sound and the mic placement are far more important.

Kyle M. Bagley attended Berklee College of Music, and currently lives in Rhode Island as a musician and studio owner. See more of his work at http://www.kylembagley.com

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Björgvin Benediktsson is an Icelandic born musician, audio engineer and writer. He has worked in the audio industry since 2006 and is an SAE Alumni from the SAE Institute. He is the man behind Audio Issues. His ebooks Recording & Mixing Strategies tackle the all important aspects of music production. Follow him on Twitter. and Google+ for more of his tips and tricks.

7 Comments on "Recording Horn Players – Part 2: Brass"

  1. Reid Howland Geisenhof November 30, 2011 at 11:27 am · Reply

    Two small things to add–a lot of trumpet players play with their horns pointed more towards the ground than straight ahead, which throws an extra little wrinkle in the mix, especially if you’re recording an ensemble; secondly, if you like the dynamic mic you’re using for your kick, try it on brass.  421′s, RE20′s, D112′s, ATM250′s, all do a nice job.

  2. Reid Howland Geisenhof November 30, 2011 at 11:27 am · Reply

    Two small things to add–a lot of trumpet players play with their horns pointed more towards the ground than straight ahead, which throws an extra little wrinkle in the mix, especially if you’re recording an ensemble; secondly, if you like the dynamic mic you’re using for your kick, try it on brass.  421′s, RE20′s, D112′s, ATM250′s, all do a nice job.

  3. Lahmurmusic November 30, 2011 at 3:34 pm · Reply

    Some nice interesting info there thanks
    Lahmur

  4. Rich Mills December 1, 2011 at 9:20 am · Reply

    interesting article Kyle, nice one. I’ve found that on recordings I’ve done with Simmertones and a few others in recent years that large capsule or vintage ribbon mics give sound more in keeping with more traditional recordings – warmth and character without the need for reverbs or other effects.

    also playing away from the mics although it can leave you with bleed, it also adds more character and that gives the impression of an ensemble playing together rather than it having been done horn-by-horn.

  5. kyle m. bagley December 1, 2011 at 9:43 am · Reply

    Thanks for the comments everyone, keep ‘em comin.
    @facebook-1527221290:disqus , tell your trumpet players with their bells pointed at the ground they’re slackers ;) (JK, you should always adjust to the player.)
    The same axis rules apply in that case, but you should be going off the axis of the bell, not the floor. Great point.
    @a24b9983ea60ec20a509437498fc01d9:disqus check out Part 1! > http://audio-issues.com/recording-tips/recording-horn-players-part-1-the-horn-section/

  6. Rich Mills December 2, 2011 at 3:05 am · Reply

    hah you’re right Kyle, pointing at the floor is slack ;) stand up and look smart!! (I wonder how trumpet players especially can play with throat and chest hunched up like that)

    Just read part 1 – more great stuff. Know what you mean about problems overdubbing if you use room mics or distance when recording but it’s worth it heh? practice, practice, practice and then maybe a few takes needed but the sound of a section playing live together can’t be beaten.

    re: solos – I reckon it’s very important to record them with the set up used for the ensemble as consistency in sound makes a real difference if you want to make it sound like a band. Distance from the mic for solos is important as the right mic in teh right room means no reverb needed!

    keep it up, great column!

  7. Audio Engineer Resume April 19, 2012 at 3:40 am · Reply

    Yes, you are absolutely right.
    Position of the Mic and the instrument are really important in capturing the best sound recording of the instrument.
    A small variation in the angle of the MIC will change the sound.
    A small variation in the distance of the MIC will also bring a lot of change in the sound.
    I would prefer Off Axis method as it gives the best quality sound.
            
                  Regards from Cerebro.

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